Lying in bed this morning, I started thinking about the transition from the M1 Garand to the M14 and I have a question I know that one of the changes in that transition was from.30-06 to 7.62x51 and that there were a number of M1 Garands that were re-chambered in 7.62, primarily for the Navy. Well, I started wondering if there were any M14s, or M14 prototypes, that were chambered in.30-06. Yes I know that converting from 7.62 to.30-06 is not an option because the 7.62 is a short action while the.30-06 is a long action, but were there any prototypes or limited manufacturing runs done in the long action 30-06?

Anybody know? Most of the changes made to convert the M1 to full auto and experiments with the gas cut off system were done in the 1940's using the.30-06 cartridge and modified Garands.

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In the early 1950's it was decided to adopt the T65 cartridge which was about 1/2 inch shorter. Early (pre 1955) T44 rifles used this cartridge, but retained the long receiver. In 1955 they shortened up the receiver and corresponding parts to make the T44E4 series rifles which were the last prototypes and lead to the adoption of the M14 in 1957.

You can see pictures of the T44E4 in the pictures section of this forum. Lying in bed this morning, I started thinking about the transition from the M1 Garand to the M14 and I have a question I know that one of the changes in that transition was from.30-06 to 7.62x51 and that there were a number of M1 Garands that were re-chambered in 7.62, primarily for the Navy. Well, I started wondering if there were any M14s, or M14 prototypes, that were chambered in.30-06. Yes I know that converting from 7.62 to.30-06 is not an option because the 7.62 is a short action while the.30-06 is a long action, but were there any prototypes or limited manufacturing runs done in the long action 30-06? Mib88 Megamod Download Movies.

Anybody know? The T65 cartridge design started in 1944, long before the T44 was a gleam in in the eye of Springfield. The entire intent of the 'Lightweight Rifle Program' was to use the new shorter cartridge.

So, making a T44 (or any or the Lightweight Rifles prototypes) in.30-06 would have been a step backwards and pointless. The T20 and all the other select-fire M1 off-shoots were ideas for stopgaps until the Lightweight Rifle was finalized.

Quote: Well, I started wondering if there were any M14s, or M14 prototypes, that were chambered in.30-06. Yes, as others have noted their were various iterations made b/t 1944-1950 in 30-06 but they were all 'T-Series' (testing) rifles and not called 'M14' until the rifle was officially adopted in 1957. (The iteration called a T44 was the version that was adopted and that's when it became an 'M14').

These prototype 30-06 iterations typically used a modified Browning BAR magazine that held 20 rds of 30-06. They were all select fire, and often had exotic muzzle brakes in an attempt to reduce muzzle rise. I think the first M1/T-series using the then shorter 'T65' cartridlge was around 1952.

They even made a 'T35' that used a 20-rd side-loading magazine(!) Remember, SA developed both the M1 and M14 rifles, and from an engineering and project perspective the M14 was technically a 'Product Improved' M1 rifle.' In otherwords, it was designated as a 2nd generation version of the M1 Garand, and not a new platform from a design perspective. That helps explain why you have about a dozen or more 'T' series or testing/experimental variants that were made b/t 1944 to the mid-1950s. IMO, the best book on this is Bruce Canfield's huge book, The M1 Garand, and it even has color photos all of those iterations made in the 1940s and early 1950s, as they are in the SA museum (or in storage there). Here's the variations you learn about and see pics of: (30-06 cartridge) T20 (1944) T20E1 T20E2 T23 T24 T22E1 T25 T26.any many others.

(T65 cartridge, later known as the 7.62x51mm) T35 T36 T37 (looks similar to M14 but not quite) T44 (later became the M14) T48 (later became the FN-FAL). The T20 rifle project (select fire, detachable mag M1) began at Springfield Armory near the end of WWII.

About the same time, Frankford Arsenal began looking for a shorter cartridge, becoming known as the T65 project. I believe both projects came together in the T35 rifle (unsure of date), which eventually ended up as the T44. Actually, there were two unrelated line of progress: First there was the select-fire rifle program, which was to address a major complaint from the field in WW2 - the BAR was too heavy.